We also need to disabuse ourselves of using phrases like "Well, I don't agree on everything, but...", "While I don't condone, endorse...", etc. We didn't lose our autonomy in one fell swoop, we aren't going to regain it in one fell swoop.
Meh… I think you glossed over things there a little too liberally. Yes, some places are better to live than others but as you described by your look at two different suburbs in NY, it’s more the attitude of the people living there than the laws of that particular location. We don’t have laws preventing employers from mandating masks in schools in Utah but we have roughly the same rate of people or more not wearing masks in this state. It’s not the laws that predicate the region but the attitudes of the people. It’s not AIYH that keeps most people from killing, hurting or stealing from one another. It’s also not laws. They may be all that’s stopping you from doing those things but that would make you the exception upon which you don’t judge others. People don’t do that stuff because anarchy works and people want to get along. You can say, “you don’t know that because you live in a world of laws.” Here’s how I know I know that. There are laws against speeding but since speeding doesn’t hurt people generally by itself 95% of drivers drive over the speed limit as long as they can’t see a police car around them. People pick and choose which laws they will obey based on morality- not fear of legal repercussions. If legal systems were effective at anything, it would mostly be the effect in which they contribute to idleness and a lack of personal responsibility. They keep getting ripped from feeding the homeless, collecting rainwater, buying raw milk from local farmers. They keep otherwise good people from doing things the powers that be pay special attention to enforcing and things they know most people don’t really want to do and are more comfortable with not doing if they believe the govt will somehow take care of it with their tax dollars.
I will say this. A friend went to SF recently and rarely masked, rode the BART, was shocked that it was clean and had a lovely time. He said he expected it would be far worse. He’s probably one of the oldest members of the LP.
We also need to disabuse ourselves of using phrases like "Well, I don't agree on everything, but...", "While I don't condone, endorse...", etc. We didn't lose our autonomy in one fell swoop, we aren't going to regain it in one fell swoop.
Agree to disagree is another infuriating phrase. Sure, to be civil,but I see using that phrase as a concession.
Meh… I think you glossed over things there a little too liberally. Yes, some places are better to live than others but as you described by your look at two different suburbs in NY, it’s more the attitude of the people living there than the laws of that particular location. We don’t have laws preventing employers from mandating masks in schools in Utah but we have roughly the same rate of people or more not wearing masks in this state. It’s not the laws that predicate the region but the attitudes of the people. It’s not AIYH that keeps most people from killing, hurting or stealing from one another. It’s also not laws. They may be all that’s stopping you from doing those things but that would make you the exception upon which you don’t judge others. People don’t do that stuff because anarchy works and people want to get along. You can say, “you don’t know that because you live in a world of laws.” Here’s how I know I know that. There are laws against speeding but since speeding doesn’t hurt people generally by itself 95% of drivers drive over the speed limit as long as they can’t see a police car around them. People pick and choose which laws they will obey based on morality- not fear of legal repercussions. If legal systems were effective at anything, it would mostly be the effect in which they contribute to idleness and a lack of personal responsibility. They keep getting ripped from feeding the homeless, collecting rainwater, buying raw milk from local farmers. They keep otherwise good people from doing things the powers that be pay special attention to enforcing and things they know most people don’t really want to do and are more comfortable with not doing if they believe the govt will somehow take care of it with their tax dollars.
Government workers should have to step through filth to get to work. They need to be uncomfortable
I will say this. A friend went to SF recently and rarely masked, rode the BART, was shocked that it was clean and had a lovely time. He said he expected it would be far worse. He’s probably one of the oldest members of the LP.
Yeah, I think we are getting bad intel from both sides.