That episode with Charlie was so fucking great. I'll admit that I am disensitized. My cousin is gay married, i voted in favor of gay marriage, i shared that slippery slope pie chart meme on facebook in 2011, i've to this day never had anything but positive experiences with gay people and i was fucking wrong about everything.
My position now is that it's a poison pill of liberal thinking that we should identify anyone by who they enjoy fucking or that body modification can transform people. Gay and trans rights all need to go bc gay and trans identities are bullshit. They aren't real. And i would have never come to that point if they didn't go from "love is love" to "we will convert your children" -- these arrogant cunts just had to spike the football.
This can only happen in a post liberal world, so i guess i'm just ranting.
I still think this is a stupid game and I'd rather not play it, but if we're gonna play us vs. them I don't intend to lose. And historically, european men play this game frighteningly well. So I don't understand why everyone else is asking for a rematch.
I've shared that article with a bunch of people now. Most the responses have been positive. I am actually surprised with how many people around me have been becoming increasingly anti-gay. I think it helps having someone around (like myself not to jerk myself off too much) who is just openly and unabashedly against it. My brother who was is a psuedo-libertarian Tech bro is even complaining about the gay agenda now. You can't escape it so you need to confront it.
One place I really hard disagree with some people on our side is the people who say this shit is getting too much attention and its turning people away who otherwise might be interested in joining the right. That it has no real material effect on peoples lives and energy would be better spent on other more material forms of patronage. First I think its just y untrue that it turns people away, this is a polarizing issue and one where there is increasingly little room for "centrism". People will either fall on No limits or Real Limits and those are irreconcilable positions. The second issue is this absolutely has a material effect on your life, having to worship and acquiesce to the demands of fags and trannies does have a very negative effect on peoples day to day lives.
Telling people you will make the cultural-roads safe and get rid of the culture-bandits is just as valuable if not more so than economic benefits. I can only speak for myself but If I was to become very wealthy all the sudden only a minority of my problems would be solved, while if the culture was cured an overwhelming majority of them would be.
I don't think the left is fundamentally capable of controlling themselves since a large part of their dogma is that the system must be radically smashed and replaced; that change is always an unmitigated good as long as it's away from tradition. That coupled with their desire to invert and transgress all mores means they can't/won't stop. Like an addict they always have that itch.
I saw this amazing truck posted outside of pride funded by Gays Against Groomers. It had video panels on the sides with bright colors that said, "leave children alone." I think they have done more to self police than any other group I have seen. They show up at school board meetings across the country and they make long speeches calling for the board to recognize that they aren't doing them (gay people as a collective) any favors by using their namesake to sexualize children. It's a powerful movement that I am behind 100%.
How do you police your own better than saying, “I am against pride.” Which they have multiple videos of them against the entire pride month and rallies etc.
I'm not sure that's true. My guess is that corporate press is downplaying the size of one group and inflating the other. The bigger issue is that public schools are likely recruiting at nearly 100% groomer advocates (gay, straight, whatever). It's going to be us vs our grown children. I mean, you take one group of middle schoolers as a white pill. That group is inconsequential compared to the Gays Against Groomers following.
Protesting isn't policing. I get it, they're the 'good ones', and if it were up to me I would be happy to live and let live with them, but the people they're protesting want to play cowboys and indians and they're gonna end up on team indian in the end whether they like it or not.
I think this is fucking tragic, but the only way to stop it is if the 'good ones' start putting the 'bad ones' in holes before this war the 'bad ones' keep insisting on having goes hot. How else could it possibly end? It's like with any other us vs. them conflict.
It's just like in the US how we should have put our bad people in holes before they went around picking fights with most of the rest of the world, but now as far as the rest of the world is concerned, we're on team America and they hate us and want us out of the picture. No matter how much we insist we were against the wars, or the rest of the nonsense.
There's no space for nuance and individualism in tribal conflict. Why sane people have been begging the left to stop this shit for decades. Not because we can't stop them, but because we don't want to do to them what that entails.
Truth be told, I think you are just saying it's better when a few school kids stand up to it and say "no more" than when 300,000 followers of Gays against Groomers do it, simply because they are gay. I'm gay so you want to put me in the hole, too?
No, I don't. That's the whole point. You seem perfectly fine and I'd be happy to have you as a neighbor. But that doesn't change anything. These creeps have declared war because they apparently, hilariously, think they can win one. They have successfully convinced the public that they speak for you, and if they get what they're asking for, you're going to end up on their side. it doesn't matter that I don't like this, or that you want nothing to do with them.
If I'm at the wrong place at the wrong time when any of the US' enemies retaliate for any of the crimes the US government has committed, the bomb isn't going to know or care that I was against that crime. My saying "no more" will have done nothing to save my ass. Nobody's going to knock on my door and ask how I feel about it, or check my internet comment history, before deciding whether it's moral and ethical to drop that bomb where I happen to be. How many anti-war activists were in the World Trade Center? Statistically, more than one. Didn't do shit for them.
What we should have done, a long time ago, was get rid of our ruling class psychopaths before they made all these enemies. Either put them in a hole under lock and key or six feet under, but we blew it on that and now their enemies are our enemies.
It's going to go the same way for you unless the creeps are dead or out of the picture before they get what they're asking for. You've got two ways to avoid this: back in the closet, like Pete said, so that the mob or the gestapo or whoever doesn't identify you as an enemy, or do a whole lot more than say "I don't support current thing". This is shit, and there's not a thing anyone can do about it. It's just how this works, how it always has worked, and how it always will work.
Ok, so why aren't you personally doing what you advocate they need to do??? If it's all for nothing, your words are just as useless as theirs. Yours are just pitting us against us.
People outside "the gay community" doing what needs to be done is the scenario I'm saying we should avoid. That's a terrible idea, and the last resort for the rest of us, because when people get angry enough to do that they're not going to stop to make individual exceptions or bother with "only 1% of them are the bad ones" style arguments. Never has worked that way, never will.
That episode with Charlie was so fucking great. I'll admit that I am disensitized. My cousin is gay married, i voted in favor of gay marriage, i shared that slippery slope pie chart meme on facebook in 2011, i've to this day never had anything but positive experiences with gay people and i was fucking wrong about everything.
My position now is that it's a poison pill of liberal thinking that we should identify anyone by who they enjoy fucking or that body modification can transform people. Gay and trans rights all need to go bc gay and trans identities are bullshit. They aren't real. And i would have never come to that point if they didn't go from "love is love" to "we will convert your children" -- these arrogant cunts just had to spike the football.
This can only happen in a post liberal world, so i guess i'm just ranting.
I still think this is a stupid game and I'd rather not play it, but if we're gonna play us vs. them I don't intend to lose. And historically, european men play this game frighteningly well. So I don't understand why everyone else is asking for a rematch.
'First they came for the Communists, and I did nothing because I was too busy refueling the helicopters'.
(Wish I could take credit for that)
Hahaha! Ah man, I'm keeping this one.
I've shared that article with a bunch of people now. Most the responses have been positive. I am actually surprised with how many people around me have been becoming increasingly anti-gay. I think it helps having someone around (like myself not to jerk myself off too much) who is just openly and unabashedly against it. My brother who was is a psuedo-libertarian Tech bro is even complaining about the gay agenda now. You can't escape it so you need to confront it.
One place I really hard disagree with some people on our side is the people who say this shit is getting too much attention and its turning people away who otherwise might be interested in joining the right. That it has no real material effect on peoples lives and energy would be better spent on other more material forms of patronage. First I think its just y untrue that it turns people away, this is a polarizing issue and one where there is increasingly little room for "centrism". People will either fall on No limits or Real Limits and those are irreconcilable positions. The second issue is this absolutely has a material effect on your life, having to worship and acquiesce to the demands of fags and trannies does have a very negative effect on peoples day to day lives.
Telling people you will make the cultural-roads safe and get rid of the culture-bandits is just as valuable if not more so than economic benefits. I can only speak for myself but If I was to become very wealthy all the sudden only a minority of my problems would be solved, while if the culture was cured an overwhelming majority of them would be.
I don't think the left is fundamentally capable of controlling themselves since a large part of their dogma is that the system must be radically smashed and replaced; that change is always an unmitigated good as long as it's away from tradition. That coupled with their desire to invert and transgress all mores means they can't/won't stop. Like an addict they always have that itch.
I saw this amazing truck posted outside of pride funded by Gays Against Groomers. It had video panels on the sides with bright colors that said, "leave children alone." I think they have done more to self police than any other group I have seen. They show up at school board meetings across the country and they make long speeches calling for the board to recognize that they aren't doing them (gay people as a collective) any favors by using their namesake to sexualize children. It's a powerful movement that I am behind 100%.
They're still celebrating their homosexuality publicly. They were given a chance to "come out." The closet is calling.
Going against the largest anti pride movement of the moment because you want to flex anti gay is ridiculous.
How do you police your own better than saying, “I am against pride.” Which they have multiple videos of them against the entire pride month and rallies etc.
Well, on one hand you are saying “police your own bigger and better” but on the other, you’re saying, do it quietly.
I'm saying, that at scale, not enough people in these groups are going to self-police until it gets to the point of no return.
And then it my be too late
I'm not sure that's true. My guess is that corporate press is downplaying the size of one group and inflating the other. The bigger issue is that public schools are likely recruiting at nearly 100% groomer advocates (gay, straight, whatever). It's going to be us vs our grown children. I mean, you take one group of middle schoolers as a white pill. That group is inconsequential compared to the Gays Against Groomers following.
Protesting isn't policing. I get it, they're the 'good ones', and if it were up to me I would be happy to live and let live with them, but the people they're protesting want to play cowboys and indians and they're gonna end up on team indian in the end whether they like it or not.
I think this is fucking tragic, but the only way to stop it is if the 'good ones' start putting the 'bad ones' in holes before this war the 'bad ones' keep insisting on having goes hot. How else could it possibly end? It's like with any other us vs. them conflict.
It's just like in the US how we should have put our bad people in holes before they went around picking fights with most of the rest of the world, but now as far as the rest of the world is concerned, we're on team America and they hate us and want us out of the picture. No matter how much we insist we were against the wars, or the rest of the nonsense.
There's no space for nuance and individualism in tribal conflict. Why sane people have been begging the left to stop this shit for decades. Not because we can't stop them, but because we don't want to do to them what that entails.
Truth be told, I think you are just saying it's better when a few school kids stand up to it and say "no more" than when 300,000 followers of Gays against Groomers do it, simply because they are gay. I'm gay so you want to put me in the hole, too?
Let's get our cards on the table.
No, I don't. That's the whole point. You seem perfectly fine and I'd be happy to have you as a neighbor. But that doesn't change anything. These creeps have declared war because they apparently, hilariously, think they can win one. They have successfully convinced the public that they speak for you, and if they get what they're asking for, you're going to end up on their side. it doesn't matter that I don't like this, or that you want nothing to do with them.
If I'm at the wrong place at the wrong time when any of the US' enemies retaliate for any of the crimes the US government has committed, the bomb isn't going to know or care that I was against that crime. My saying "no more" will have done nothing to save my ass. Nobody's going to knock on my door and ask how I feel about it, or check my internet comment history, before deciding whether it's moral and ethical to drop that bomb where I happen to be. How many anti-war activists were in the World Trade Center? Statistically, more than one. Didn't do shit for them.
What we should have done, a long time ago, was get rid of our ruling class psychopaths before they made all these enemies. Either put them in a hole under lock and key or six feet under, but we blew it on that and now their enemies are our enemies.
It's going to go the same way for you unless the creeps are dead or out of the picture before they get what they're asking for. You've got two ways to avoid this: back in the closet, like Pete said, so that the mob or the gestapo or whoever doesn't identify you as an enemy, or do a whole lot more than say "I don't support current thing". This is shit, and there's not a thing anyone can do about it. It's just how this works, how it always has worked, and how it always will work.
Ok, so why aren't you personally doing what you advocate they need to do??? If it's all for nothing, your words are just as useless as theirs. Yours are just pitting us against us.
People outside "the gay community" doing what needs to be done is the scenario I'm saying we should avoid. That's a terrible idea, and the last resort for the rest of us, because when people get angry enough to do that they're not going to stop to make individual exceptions or bother with "only 1% of them are the bad ones" style arguments. Never has worked that way, never will.
https://open.substack.com/pub/andrewsullivan/p/gay-rights-and-the-limits-of-liberalism-be4?r=b5zww&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post